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the projected bottom (timing) in tech...
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Jim:
Another absolutely
miserable, horrible,
crummy day... another
day where the Dow is
down big, off 508
points... not
coincidentally the
number points where it
fell during the Crash of
- obviously at a much
higher level - in
1987... And, more
important, your and my
favorite... the
Nasdaq... is really
getting creamed, it's
getting pummeled, it's
getting annihilated,
it's getting shot at...
It's everything that we
don't want!... Down 108
points, 5.8%... Now that
shows we're in a rough
tech territory.
Everyone wants to know,
though, when this key
group - loved by you -
will bottom, even if
it's this kind of bottom
(sound of man jumping
out window)...
But first we need to
know what a bottom
actually looks like...
and we're going to take
this lesson and apply it
to this stock market...
What are the clues for a
bottom? They're not what
you think they are when
you hear people come on
TV, or write and say,
hey, we're almost there,
we're almost there...
So, let's look back...
let's look back at the
big tech bottom in late
2002, when the Nasdaq
composite finally
bottomed at 1108, after
peaking in 2000 at 5132.
This, my friends, is a
78% decline, okay... A
78% decline... Now,
during that period,
well, I've got to tell
you... A lot of people
loved it...
Let's find out what
actually caused the
Nasdaq to stop going
down... and see if we
have any of those things
right now...
Now this exercise is
real important,
particularly for those
who say, Jim, I can't
believe you... it's much
too late to sell
anything... because, as
you can see from these
great companies in the
Nasdaq composite...the
not-too-late-to-sell
philosophy was a money
killer. And, even after
the recovery, you didn't
get back to anywhere
near where you were at
the peak for most of
these stocks...
What we want to know is
what happened between
the top of tech and the
bottom, that even
allowed these stocks to
rally at all...
And then we have to ask
ourselves... has any of
this happened yet? Are
we in the bottoming
process yet?...
So what did it?...
Okay, I've studied this
and studied this...
Here's the first
thing...
1. We had repeated
estimate cuts by Wall
Street analysts...
over and over again...
"repeated" being the
most important word in
that sentence.
They cut their estimates
to the point where
estimates were finally
low enough so that these
companies could beat
them. That's when the
bottom could finally
come... when the bar got
so low, it could be
beaten.
2. Second, going into
the recession of that
period, the tech
companies had bulging
inventories, as they
thought the economic
growth would continue
for tech. And those
goods took forever to
work off. We are in
a similar situation now
for many tech companies,
particularly hardware...
not so much software. It
wasn't safe to go back
into these stocks until
we worked off these
inventories, even though
everyone kept telling us
it was fine. And,
remember, we just now
got the build in
inventories... just
now... I saw a report at
my desk today about
Western Digital... a
great drive company. I
once owned 4% of the
company when I used to
be able to own stocks.
It said that inventories
are out of hand, just
now... today.
For some reason, these
tech companies thought
that, this time, Brazil,
Russia, India and China
were going to save them.
They were wrong, and
that means it's way too
early. We will get no
bottom until these
inventories are worked
off and there's no
supply to sell... And we
just hit the wall now.
This isn't Nascar. You
don't bounce off the
wall and get back in the
race. You idle and you
sulk and you deflate and
you start losing a lot
of money.
And, for investors, all
of these companies
turned out to be more
cyclical than we
thought... That's one of
the reasons why prices
were so inflated at the
top... why an Intel
could fall 82%... Cisco,
down 90%... Yahoo, down
96%... Microsoft, down
66%, and Oracle, down
84%... (in 1987)... They
got killed the last time
tech fell... because,
before then, we thought
these tech stocks were
like drug stocks.
Yeah... we thought
people had to use them
no matter what... I know
it probably seems insane
to you now, but we
thought that they could
grow forever, regardless
of the economic
conditions. That was the
attitude then.
Now things are
different...
3. We know tech is
cyclical, and it can't
be better until the
economy is better,
like it started to do in
2003...
The three big clues so
far that the tech stocks
needed... What did we
need to get? We needed
major repeated estimate
cuts to get a bottom. We
need to see inventories
go lean, after swelling
big to get a bottom, and
we need to see the
economy improve to get a
bottom...
Do you know that we have
none of those right
now... That's what
caused a bottom. We have
none of those...
Keeping these three
things in mind...
repeated estimate cuts,
big inventories to get
worked off, and a better
economy, where are we
now when it comes to a
bottom?...
I'd say we're nowhere
close... We haven't yet
had any estimate cuts,
other than for Yahoo...
You can't start picking
at these stocks before
the numbers have come
down... you can't!
That's strike one...
We are just now seeing
inventories bulge... We
need them to be worked
off, if not
non-existent, for a
bottom... Strike two...
We need these companies
to annualize... to lap
their bad numbers... so
that it can look like
they're growing again,
but that process hasn't
even started.
How about the
macroeconomic
picture?...
Okay, in 2003, the
economy was improving.
Right now, we haven't
even gone into the
recession yet. We're
still at the very
beginning. And things
are clearly going to get
a lot worse before they
get better again.
There's strike three...
A tech bottom is out.
Sure, Intel, Cisco and
Microsoft are all
sitting on a big hoard
of cash, and they do
seem cheap... they're
not going out of
business...
But we don't want to buy
companies just because
they aren't going out of
business... We don't
ATMs, we want growth. I
think
Cisco
(CSCO*)
and
QualComm Inc. (QCOM*)
have growth, otherwise I
wouldn't be buying them
for
my trust... The others I'm worried
about. And even CSCO and
QCOM... they're just
cheap... I need
catalysts...
These companies have
also frittered away
billions on share
buybacks since the first
quarter of 2003, when we
bottomed. And those
buybacks have done next
to nothing for them. Of
course, if some company
had a new killer
application... something
like what iTunes, or an
iPhone
was, or a Blackberry...
that's how
Apple (AAPL)
and
Research
In Motion (RIMM)
ran on it... they had
new products... then
maybe it can overcome
the negative
gravitational pull I
just outlined, but I
don't see anything on
the horizon like that.
If you do, be my
guest...
I mean, I think Cisco's
got good orders and
Qualcomm's got 4G (i.e.,
fourth-generation
wireless technology
coming out soon). That's
as close as I can find.
That's the reason why I
own them for
my trust...
If you look at the
charts, I regard this as
a bit like no man's
land... If you get a
lift (in stock prices),
I think you want to
lighten up... despite
what my critics say
about buying and
holding, even if it is
all the way down...
These clowns are still
waiting to get back to
even... You can't think
that stocks are like
children lost at the
mall, when you know that
parents always come
back. These are stocks.
Nothing has to come back
ever.
More important, for all
of you trigger happy
tech fans... If you look
at the fundamentals,
it's just not a great
time to buy.
Here's the bottom
line...
. . . .
.
Jim's comments AFTER the interview:
I do see a bottom for tech, until we
see repeated estimate cuts, lean
inventories, and an improving - as
opposed to a deteriorating - economy. We
don't have these. Until we do, you've
got to remember that slope down, and
you've got to remember each time guys
told you to buy them, and them you've
got to remember what Cramer said. We get
those three things... and I am all over
them like a cheap KMart suit.
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Q:
I have been
watching you for
years on TV and
you are one of
the largest
pro-stock market
commentators out
there...
pro-stock
market... I
appreciate your
comments on NBC
for people to
show some
caution in these
tough economic
times. Do not
let the people
who are blaming
you for the
stock market
going down get
you down. What a
joke everyone
always needs to
blame somebody
for things that
are difficult.
If it were your
fault it went
down yesterday,
you would be the
one who drove it
up for the last
five years.
JJC:
Of course,
Germany was down
7%... France was
down 9%... and
we were down
less, but Cramer
said
something... I
mean, look...
let me just say,
everytime I come
out here, I
think about my
words. I think
very carefully
about what I'm
going to say. If
I feel like I'm
not having an
impact, then I
do get more
emphatic. Last
August of 2007,
I went over the
top emphatic
with "they know
nothing!"... It
was the best
thing I ever did
and it was
probably the
most criticized
thing that I
have ever done.
Looking back, I
wish - as Steve
Colbert said - I
had been more
strident.
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Mad Mail
General
question...
Q:
Is is me, or
does it seem
that Citigroup
has someone in
the government
on their side?
The deal was
broken by the
FDIC and
Citigroup got a
sweet deal with
the government
(U.S. taxpayers)
on the hook. The
deal was never
approved by
Wachovia
shareholders.
The Wells Fargo
deal is better
for everybody
(taxpayers,
employees,
shareholders).
And now the
government wants
them to split up
Wachovia.
Something just
doesn't seem
right.
JJC:
I've got to tell
you... you said
it better than I
can. I totally
agree with your
sentiment. I
don't understand
it, but we've
got an unelected
official, Sheila
Bair, who's
loved, like
Bernanke is
loved, like all
these people are
loved... I
listened to her
all day on TV...
I read... All
these people
think they are
geniuses. Do you
mind, while the
Western world
crumbles, that I
actually
question some of
their actions.
So I agree. I
don't understand
how Wachovia got
confiscated,
unless we really
need to save
Citigroup...
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