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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
(Cont'd from
above)...
Jim (cont'd):
I want to try to
help teach you to
think like I did at
my hedge fund… not
so you can know
whether you should
buy Kroger or Whole
Foods… but so that
you can look at
stocks the way that
a sophisticated
investor would… so
you use the same
methods that I used
to make so much
money at my hedge
fund… we are trying
to figure out what
is known as the
world view… the
world view for the
next quarter… could
it be that the
defensives like
Kroger and Proctor
have gotten too
cheap… and the more
aggressive, more
cyclical plays like
Whole Foods or
Freeport, have
gotten too
expensive… or
perhaps the huge
rally in Whole Foods
and the decline in
Kroger was the
market saying look
things are getting
better not worse… is
Whole Foods like
Best Buy where you
buy the stereo
equipment here… the
ones that people are
willing to pay up
for… with Kroger as
a kind of more
expensive Family
Dollar Store, I mean
think about it.
Here we go… look at
this… this is Whole
Foods Organic Broth…
this is the Organic
Broth that you got
at Kroger.. .they
don’t seem that
different… I mean a
lot of these things
seem exactly the
same… tomatoes,
tomatoes, right… at
the heart of all of
these questions… by
the way, this whole
group that we
matched with this…
this was $20 more at
Whole Foods than it
was at Kroger… now
we see… these are
the questions that
you need to know
whether the moves in
these stocks were
based on what is
called micro-data…
meaning information
about each company…
did Whole Foods just
go higher cause it
finally started to
execute well… did
Kroger decline
because it wasn’t
doing well itself…
or are these moves
macro-issues,
meaning big picture
economic factors…
can these two stocks
tell us something
about how the
broader economy is
doing… or is this
simply a case of
Whole Foods doing
better than it used
to be… and we
extrapilate nothing
from it… like
sometimes that was
the case at my hedge
fund… I would
literally have these
meetings at least
once a day where I
would pit two
analysts against
each other… just let
them have it… and
decide which over
arching theory,
which world view was
right for the new
quarter… it was not
academic… tens of
millions of dollars
were on the line
with these kind of
judgments… and if
you worked for me,
and you didn’t take
the process
seriously, or you
didn’t know my
answers, then I
showed you the door,
hitting you with a
bottle of water on
the way out… I am
trying to bring that
same level of rigor
to the show… without
the water bottle
being thrown at you
of course… this is
not something that
would come up if I
simply interviewed
money managers and
asked them if they
like… we are with
Joe Blow from the
something, something
fund… do you like
Colgate more than
Proctor… yes, I like
Colgate more than
Proctor… how do you
rate it… I rate it
to outperform… why
do you like it… low
PE… I can do it…
sister, mother, I
can play everything…
but now I let others
perform that
exercise.
So, let’s go through
the process and see
what if anything
these two stocks are
saying… first we
look at the micro
picture… Kroger has
been taking share…
good supermarket,
increasing its
margins… meaning the
percentage of every
dollar of sales it
becomes a profit…
and it has kept its
pricing low to
compete with
Wal-Mart… this is a
company that is
jugging along with
decent consistent
growth and getting
pretty much
everything right…
Kroger is a good
operator… but it
still went down…
that gives credence
to the macro case
that people are
selling this one
because people think
that we are coming
out of a recession.
Whole Foods, harder
to tell… this is a
company that has
been in a decline
for years… its same
store sales growth
has been
decelerating since
2004, sales per
square foot declined
in both 2007,
2008... just the
opposite of Kroger…
since 2006 Whole
Foods has been the
classic example of
momentum stock that
has lost its mo-jo…
down 77%… 2008
alone… and then the
stock really turned
around this quarter…
we want to know
whether the company
turned itself around
or whether investors
are simply buying it
because they think
we are coming out of
a recession… they
believe that
consumer confidence
is recovering… and
they see the rich
spending again.
So which is it… six
of one, half a dozen
of the other… Whole
Foods beat the
streets estimation
when it reported
last quarter… the
company made it very
clear that cost
containment is at
last important, sort
of like a club… and
it showed us by
eliminating the
dividend… Whole
Foods gave its share
holders some reason
to believe that
their long national
nightmare is over,
to quote my friend
buddy pal Nixon… but
I don’t know if they
did well enough to
justify the kind of
rally that this
stock has had… maybe
it never should have
been that low in the
first place.. so
what did we learn
from this process…
Kroger tells us that
it went down because
we are going into a
recession… camp is
losing ground… not
enough adherence of
the bad recession
theory anymore…
because the company
didn’t do anything
wrong… people are
selling it because
they think the
recession is going
to come to an end…
Whole Foods, while
it is improving, and
while it certainly
ranks highly on the
great restauranteur
Danny Meier’s
Hospitality scale… I
think is saying that
we are coming out of
a depression… I
don’t think the move
is at all about the
micro… it has to be
about the macro…
things are getting
better.
Hey, does that mean
that we got to go
buy
Whole Foods Market Inc. (WFMI)
or
Kroger Co. (KR)?…
No, no, that
is not the whole
point of this essay…
I actually think the
opposite is true… we
are trying to use
these stocks to
figure out what the
markets attitude
will be over the
second quarter… I
believe that while
Whole Foods now
trades at 21 times
earnings… it is
always going to be
more expensive than
Kroger… which trades
at 9.6 time
earnings… I think
you would be a pig
if you caught this
huge 85% move here…
I mean come on…
business isn’t that
much better… that is
the whole point… it
went higher in part
because the world
view of most
investors changed…
similarly Kroger
didn’t go down
because of Kroger,
it went down because
investors were
selling the
recession resistant
stocks… I think
maybe selling them
too hard.
Here is the bottom
line…
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The
Bottom Line!:
This is how we
think… this is what
we money managers do
when we are in our
meetings trying to
figure out what
stocks to buy… to
figure out what our
3 to 6 month outlook
should be… I am not
here to tell you
what to like… I just
wanted to walk you
thru the exercise in
the aisles of these
two great
supermarkets… so you
can make your own
decisions... Use the
clues from this
supermarket sweep to
help you see the
bigger picture of
this market...
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Jim went on after
this segment to take
questions from
callers, and
responded with his
comments...
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Q:
I just wanted to say
that I am noticing
that the market has
hit a pretty solid
bottom now. And I
would like to stick
with some defensive
stocks, what do you
think of Kimberly
Clark?
Jim:
You know I was
looking at Kimberly
Clark over the
weekend… my friend
Matt Horley and I
were discussing it…
it has got a 5%
yield, it is very
levered to the cost
of pulp, the cost of
pulp has come down…
very levered to
natural gas…
remember, a diaper,
which I wore once on
the show much to the
chagrin of my
children, is largely
made up of different
polys… like poly
want a cracker, like
polypropaline, like
polyethylene… and
therefore I think
that Kimberly is
very interesting
here… a weak dollar
stock, lots of raw
costs coming down…
basically I think
that it is very,
very cheap.
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