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Thursday,
April 16, 2009
(Cont'd from
above)...
Jim (cont'd):
Now, I want to talk
about something that
could be even more
important… perhaps
the scariest part of
investing… tops…
people never like to
talk about tops, not
on Wall Street,
especially not in
the financial media…
when things are
good… boy do we ever
hate to talk about a
top… sure the bears
will get all ominous
and talk about
impending doom
endlessly…. but they
do… good or bad, it
is always the most
dangerous thing in
the world right… the
media might try to
make negative
forecasts… how much
do they love to do
that… it is what I
call recklessness
couched in the
language of
prudence… but you
hardly hear talking
about a top…
particularly when it
is developing… see
it does not benefit
the Street to talk
about tops… the very
idea flies against
the conventional
wisdom… all the time
you are told, and I
am often denigrated
because I disagree
with this… and
frankly, I love the
denigration, but
that is because I am
strange.
You are told to buy
and hold… oh, go and
buy an index fund…
yeah, that will do
it… because you
cannot do your job
picking stocks… look
you know that I
think this stuff is
garbage… I believe
in buy and homework…
casticated for that
view, oh please… and
one of the biggest
reasons for that is
the existence of
tops… buy and hold
presumes that they
do not exist… that a
stock is just
endlessly going
higher… as if it is
some sort of magic
projectile… how
would you have felt
if you took the
conventional wisdom
and you bought and
held the standard
S&P 500 index fund
thru the crash of
2000... pretty
terrible I bet… but
if you had been able
to spot that top,
you could have sold
and escaped some
serious pain.
Let’s be clear, what
exactly is a top… it
is where a stock or
the whole market
reaches some price
that is too high and
then comes tumbling
down… if you try to
ride out a top, you
could or will lose
all of your gains
and then some… think
2000... these things
hurt… they are a key
reason that buy and
hold does not work…
and I have said
before that they are
the bane of
investing… they chop
your money… they
kill it.
So how do we see
them coming…. and
get out before the
top hits… here is
how I look at tops…
we know that they
are going to happen
first of all… they
are part of the
firmament… sooner or
later every stock,
every market reaches
a point where it can
go no higher… and in
fact it starts going
a whole lot lower…
it might take years…
we know this will
happen because it
has happened
historically without
fail… if you own a
stock, and that
stock keeps chugging
along going higher
and higher… at a
certain point you
know that you have
got to get out… you
have got to ring the
register… you know a
top is coming… that
a top has to come…
but you cannot get
past the emotion of
the thing.
Who wants to sell a
stock that has been
a proven winner… a
real money maker…
one that you just
can’t seem to shake…
nobody, that is who…
but you have to when
you see a top
coming… and in order
to do that you need
to be honest with
yourself… to admit
that there will be a
top from the moment
that you buy a
stock… and you
better be looking
for it… that is not
how the Street
usually approaches
tops… for a lot of
the institutions,
probably your broker
too, this sell,
sell, sell… is a
dirty three words…
it is just a
temporary breakdown,
some mild
turbulence… maybe
things will turn
around tomorrow…
yeah, sun tomorrow,
okay… but tomorrow
never comes.
When I first got to
Goldman Sachs, I
remember asking my
co-workers when I
should tell a client
to sell… I wanted to
give them an exit
plan… all of the
gray beard would
tell me… when the
stock gets
downgraded, that is
when you sell… who
wants to sell after
a downgrade… after a
stock has already
hit its top, after
it has come down…
not Cramer… but how
do you know when
that top is coming…
I will tell you the
biggest clues to
spot a top before it
does its damage…
first in this
segment and then
after the
commercial.
One of the best ways
that you can tell
that a stock,
especially one that
has had a lot of
momentum, is played
out… is when the
bears start
disappearing… when
all of the analysts
who cover the stock
have upgraded… when
there are no or very
few sell, sell,
sells left… when
everybody is here…
buy, buy, buy… you
have got to
reconsider… that is
a great sign in a
momentum stock that
you are about to run
smack into a top…
the reason… there
are no bears left to
convert…. no sellers
left to turn into
buyers… everyone is
in the pool… no
people left standing
on the sidelines
left to convert
either… everyone who
wants the stock owns
it already… no one
can come in and buy
it higher… and that
means that the
buying will stop
soon… with no more
buying, you have got
a top… time to sell…
time to ring the
register.
The second reason to
abandon a stock…
even when you know
and like, not love,
remember these are
just pieces of
paper… is
competition… you
might not want to
believe that
competition matters…
especially if you
have got a history
with your stock… but
I am begging you to
be objective… the
only way that you
can tell that the
competition is about
to come in and
destroy your
companies business…
is being vigilant…
the price of profits
is eternal
vigilance.. it is
not enough really to
do homework on your
stock, you need to
monitor the whole
section… you need to
make sure that there
aren’t any up and
comers ready to come
in and gobble up the
market share, and
send your stock
hurdling down… I
would say that a
solid 70% of the
tops that I have
seen were caused by
competition… yes,
raw competition
coming in from where
you least expected
it… competition as
much as anything
else is the reason
that it is
imperative that you
spend one hour per
week doing homework…
it is a huge drag…
it will safe you
money… otherwise, I
can practically
guarantee you that
you will get
blindsided… isn’t it
funny, the only
guarantees that I
can offer on the
program, are that
you are going to
lose money if you
don’t do the work…
that I can guarantee
you… your stock will
top and then you
will lose money.
The bottom line...
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The
Bottom Line!:
We do not like to
think about stock…
they are scary, they
are sad… but we know
that they exist… we
cannot be in denial
about them… two of
the best ways to see
them coming, is by
keeping an eye on
the analysts, if
they get too
bullish, you sell…
and by watching out
for competition,
which most of the
analysts are not
looking at because
they are really just
following the
company… after the
break I will tell
you more ways to
spot tops before
they happen... Look
for lack of bears &
strengthening
competition to spot
tops. I want
everyone to watch
the analysts, when
they get too
bullish… you have
got to run, because
that is what is
going to happen… and
when the competition
comes calling, you
be ready so you know
it is time to go.
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Jim went on after
this segment to take
questions from
callers, and
responded with his
comments...
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Q:
One of the things
that is very tough
for me is
maintaining my focus
and investment
philosophy when a
stock goes down, you
know I buy a stock
and it goes down
10%. The
fundamentals are
unchanged so I by
more, and it goes
down another 10%. So
my question is do
you have any advice
on how to maintain
this kind of
discipline when your
stock is sinking?
And conversely to
keep that discipline
on the top…
Jim:
You are approaching
it wrong… you have
to use those
declines as ways to
get more stock,
which you have done
the homework and you
know you like, at a
more cheap price…
that is why I
advocate over and
over again… those of
you who put a stock
position on all at
one price are
arrogant… you are
showing uberous… you
are not skeptical
enough… when I start
a position, like
when I start one for
ActionAlertsPlus.com, my
charitable trust,
that I run thru
TheStreet.com,
where I am the
biggest shareholder…
I always like my
first buy is
probably going to be
wrong… the market is
going to send my
stock down further…
or people won’t
understand my
theory... so let’s
buy in pyramid
style, start here as
it gets lower we buy
more… that first 10%
is a God send… the
second 10% is…
hallelujah.
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Q:
Do certain sectors
bottom reliably at
certain times of the
year?
Jim:
Yes, historically
and this is of great
confusion to people,
but I am going to
tell you why, it is
kind of complex… the
cyclical stocks, the
big mineral stocks,
the big steel
stocks, aluminum
stocks, chemical
paper, they bottom
at the end of each
calendar year… why
is that… because
beginning in January
the analysts all
come out and they
say positive things,
they give you their
next year outlook…
that usually is te
high, that is when
we watch the
cyclicals move up,
and you sell them
come February… we
also have a top in
tech, the first week
in January, and
traditionally a
bottom in tech in
July and August… why
is that, in January
everyone is real
bullish, too
bullish… in August
everyone is too
bearish, those are
great times to buy
technology.
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Q:
I know how to select
a stock based on the
rules, do the
homework, listen to
the conference
calls, compare PE’s
to competitors. But
once you have got a
candidate, you have
got to figure out
entrance and exit
prices. Now I
already know don’t
pay more than twice
the growth rate, and
schnitzel in and
schnitzel out, but
other than that can
you give me a little
more guidance on how
you determine entry
and exit prices for
a position.
Especially exit
prices.
Jim:
My mom taught me
this stuff… exit
price, are you being
greedy, are you
being a pig… look, I
like to sell as a
stock goes up… even
great stocks, let me
give you an example…
when I see a stock
that becomes more…
if I have a
diversified
portfolio of 10
stocks, and each has
got 1/10th of the
money in… if one
stock gets to
2/10ths and you have
not taken anything
off, you are being
greedy… if a stock
goes up 25% and you
have not taken
anything off… you
are being greedy…it
is greed that
determines… not the
fundamentals… that
is what would have
happened in so many
great rallies had
people realized they
were being greedy…
they would have all
made more money… we
cannot call tops per
say… we can sell as
tops develop.
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