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Monday,
May 11, 2009
(Cont'd from
above)...
Jim (cont'd):
That is why I think
that you should try
to get into the next
big IPO… and it is
called...
Digital Globe (DGI)...
(New IPO - not yet
traded...)
It is a satellite
imagery company that
will trade under the
symbol DGI…. when it
comes public later
this week, could
come public maybe
Wednesday night… the
lead underwriter is
Morgan Stanley, so
if I were in your
shoes, I would send
some commissions
their way to try to
get in on this IPO
action… not that I
am implying in any
way that it works
that way, because we
all know Wall Street
is as squeaky clean
as it gets.
Where do we like
Digital Globe, what
price… the offering
is 14.7 million
shares priced
between $16 and $18,
and at that range
frankly I think the
stock is a steal…
even with all of
these other equity
deals coming,
although I actually
doubt that it will
come between $16 and
$18... the offering
is for about a third
of the companies
shares, but only 1.4
million new shares
are being offered…
with the rest being
sold by a number of
different investors
in the company who
are looking to cash
out… now, candidly,
I usually like to
see shares sold only
by the company on an
IPO, but I do not
believe that Morgan
Stanley, which owns
a ton of this
company and is
offering shares,
wants to hurt
anybody on this
deal… because it
will want to sell
some later, not
doubt… and if you
poison the well now
on an IPO, you may
not get investors to
come back for
seconds… they are
very careful about
this.
Digital Globe is
essentially is in a
happy duopoly with
GeoEye, that is
another satellite
company that we have
liked on this show,
that does a lot of
business with the US
government,
therefore they
pay…and that one is
just two weeks off
of its 52 week high,
so we have got a
strong cohert… the
satellite biz which
has steady customers
like the Feds, the
oil companies,
Google and Garmen…
it is a business
with very high
barriers to entry…
it costs a fortune
to launch a
satellite up into
the air… and there
is no guarantee that
the launch will even
be successful, that
means that there is
very little
competition…
something you know
that we cannot stand
on this program… as
competition is
athema to our friend
joyous profits… it
made us, at least we
used to make a lot
of profits with the
previous government,
because that was
still of, by and for
the corporations,
instead of the
people like this new
guy...
Alright, right now
Digital Globe has
two satellites into
space… it plans to
launch a third by
the end of the year,
which should double
the companies
capacity for imagery
collection… it is
basically where
GeoEye was a couple
of years ago…
Digital Globe was
able to take
advantage in the
delays in the launch
of GeoEyes new
satellite to grab
more market share,
something that could
flow back to GeoEye
now that its
satellite is up… one
of the main reasons
that I think that it
makes so much sense
to put in a bid for
Digital Globe on
this IPO, is that
the recent IPO’s
have all been major
successes… they all
fall into the
category of under
priced stocks that
the brokers try to
use to get you back
in after there has
been just a
substantial decline…
take a look at the
last four big IPO’s…
Rosetta Stone,
Bridgepoint
Education,
Changyou.com, Mead
Johnson Nutritional
Company… these four
stocks were up an
average of 20% the
day after the IPO…
and now they are up
an average of 43%
year to date… that
has been the pattern
so far this year,
and I think that we
will see something
similar from Digital
Globe.
Now, there was an
article this
morning, and this is
very typical of what
I try to offer vs.
the paper, the
papers are good…
this is “Satellite
Firm Will Launch
Offering”, and that
is good, what we
like to do is try to
figure out what
price it should be…
because while this
article might call
your attention to
it, you could
actually fail if you
pay too much, and
succeed if you pay
too little… so lets
talk about what you
should be willing to
pay… what do I think
it is worth… we are
lucky here because
there is an obvious
compare to GeoEye,
that trades at 18.2
times 2010 earnings,
next years earnings…
here is what
professional money
managers do… we
compare, we look at
GeoEye vs. Digital
to come up with an
apples to apples bet
on a company, and
not overpay… I could
just tell you what
the numbers are, but
let me be your coach
or something so you
can do this
yourself… I would
much rather walk you
thru the whole
process, so you can
evaluate a fresh
faced IPO the same
way the pros do…
instead of just here
is the price.
Now, I like to be
conservative in my
assumptions, because
it never pays to be
optimistic.. so what
are we doing, we are
trying to figure out
what a newly public
company like Digital
Globe will be able
to earn, what is its
earnings per share
going to be… in our
calculations, we
have to make
assumptions… Digital
Globes new
satellite, lets say
that it will not be
launched as
expected… that would
make it roughly
comparable to
GeoEye, if that
satellite goes up on
schedule… how about
this, Digital Globe
is the better
company with
superior assets, not
to mention superior
attitude, and a
superior state of
mind.
Now, Digital Globes
revenues have been
growing at about 60%
a year, but because
we want to be very
conservative lets
presume some dire
stuff… we have got
to do that… so we
will presume a delay
in the launch of the
new satellite, we
will presume a
slowing in revenue
just 15% a year, we
are going to presume
a cut in gross
margins from 90% to
80%… while we are
being negative, lets
also bet on a slight
increase in sales,
general, and
administrative
expenses… because of
the cost of being a
publicly traded
company… hey, lets
presume a $500m
increase in
depreciation and
amortization, a
$400m increase in
interest expense,
and a 30% tax rate…
in other words, I am
presuming a lot of
things could go
wrong… with all of
that conservative,
if not completely
dire assumptions, I
come up with $1.16
for 2009, and $1.49
in earnings in
2010... given the
IPO range of $16 to
$18, Digital Globe
will be trading at
12 times 2010
earnings… 50%
discount to GeoEye…
and that is assuming
that Digital Globe’s
execution is sub par
to say the least.
If it trades at 18
times earning,
GeoEye’s valuation…
okay, here it is…
this is the moment
of truth… I think
that it goes to 27,
so assuming that the
stock is heading for
27, how much should
you be willing to
pay… no more than
$20 to $22, yeah no
more than that… see
I start to feel
uncomfortable, I
want you to take a
pass on more than
that… nobody ever
lost money taking a
pass… even though
Digital Globe is
poised to double its
image collecting
capacity with its
new satellite… there
is always a risk,
the risk that one of
the two satellites
that it currently
has could come
crashing down… which
would be devastating
to earnings, so we
do not want to pay
up… this is a risky
industry… we just
want in for a short
term gain… although
telling you that to
your broker is a
real non-starter,
they do not want any
flippers in any of
their deals… you
have got to place
your order by
tomorrow.
Here is the bottom
line on what I think
you should do…
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The
Bottom Line!:
I want you to get as
many shares of
Digital Globe (DGI)
that you can between
$16 and $18, where
it is supposed to be
priced… but be
prepared to pay as
much as $22 a share,
and enter the order
like that… I will
pay up to $22 top,
that is what you
say, I will pay up
$22 top, that is the
lingo… anything more
than that and you
need to pass…
because above that
$22 level there is
just too much risk
and not enough
reward... Consider
getting in on
Digital Globe’s IPO
but remember - don’t
pay more than $22
per share... Put in
an order for Digital
Globe… if you pay
more than $22, I
completely disavow
any knowledge of
this conversation.
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Jim went on after
this segment to take
questions from
callers, and
responded with his
comments...
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Q:
I am actually
curious to know, I
am interested in
learning more about
IPO, and how an
average investor
like myself, can
find out about IPO’s
before they actually
hit the market and
go public and start
trading? How do we
find out a week or
two weeks, anytime
in advance that the
IPO’s are actually
entered into the
market?
Jim:
Okay, you have to go
to the SEC for the
filings, but you
know what I like to
do when I used to be
at Goldman Sachs, I
was always sniffing
around for the next
deal… and I would
say listen, here is
what I think is
happening… your
broker, if you are
going to be with a
full service broker,
one of the things
that they have to do
is that they have to
be searching for
ideas for you… they
have to be in the
pipe so to speak,
they have to hear
what is going on…
and then once we get
the figures of what
a company is, then
we have to do the
compares that I just
outlined… I really
hope the people, I
mean I did this
Digital Globe vs.
GeoEye, please go
over that, go onto
CNBC.com, listen to
what I am saying
about these two…
because I need you
to figure out by
looking at the data,
how to compare to
other players.
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Q:
I want to talk to
you KBR, a while
back you mentioned a
couple of facts
about it and said
that it might be
worth a look. Among
the things are the
cash, it is a
potential take over
candidate, and it is
a prime government
contractor. I looked
at it and I did my
work, I bought some
about $15. And I am
holding onto it and
it was doing fairly
well, and then
recently a Pentagon
auditor came out and
said that they were
guilty of a lot
things including
fraud. So the next
day I put in a limit
order and I got out
at about $17, I made
about 20%. No
complaints. My
question, do you
think I acted too
precipitously cause
the stock is still
up? Or do you have
any kind of advice
for how do deal with
that information in
the future?
Jim:
First of all, let me
just tell you
something, I have no
advice… you know
why, because you
made a great profit…
so therefore
anything I do will
be just completely
ancillary because
you did the right
thing… did you know
how bad the fraud
was going to be, no…
so what you did was
took and preserved
the profit… you did
the right thing, you
can then… in this
business, in this
market, it is
strictly the man who
shot Liberty
Valance, you shoot
first and then you
ask questions later…
you did it right
sir, I have got
nothing other than
compliments for the
way that you paid
it.
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Q:
I was watching
Squawk Box Friday,
and they mentioned
something about
Morgan Stanley
releasing another a
million .2 share of
stock available for
$24 a share. I did
not know if that was
for the general
public or if that
was private?
Jim:
No, that was a deal
that came not unlike
the Wells Fargo deal
that came at $22...
not unlike the
Capital One, BB&T
deal, the bank deal
that is going to
come… the Ford deal,
the Bank of New York
deal, and could we
have just a few more
deals… I mean I
think we have a deal
coming with Anadarko
now… I mean that we
are deal happy in
this country, and
these are all public
deals… they are
going to hurt the
market for a while,
no doubt about it…
but do not be
discouraged.
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