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[Beginning of
Cramer's
verbatim
comments for
this segment...]
Jim:
Yesterday
Michael Watford,
the CEO of Ultra
Petroleum, told
us that he
expects the
price of natural
gas to go to $6
for a thousand
cubic feet… that
clip was played
all day today…
that is more
than double
where it is
right now…
especially after
the bad
inventory
numbers this
morning… that
jives with what
the stocks have
been saying too…
natural gas
names have been
ramping even as
the commodity
has been
flirting with
multi year lows,
seven year lows…
if Watford is
right, and
natural gas does
go to $6... do
you know what
you want to be
in… you want to
be in one of the
least hedged
players… a
company that has
not already
locked in lower
prices for its
gas… and take
advantage of a
big move higher…
you know what
that means… it
means that you
want to be in
Devon… that is
right Devon..
and I have been
buying it
hand over fist
for
my charitable trust… which you
can watch at
ActionAlertsPlus.com.
I like its
internationally
diversified mix
of oil and
natural gas
properties… 66%
natural gas… 34%
oil and liquids…
but it’s lack of
natural gas
hedges… that is
a better way to
profit from the
rally that I see
coming… in the
commodity… the c
change… much
better than some
of the guys who
are totally
hedged… right
now being
un-hedged is
seen as being a
big liability
when it comes to
natural gas… and
we like it… you
know, Michael
Linn, you know
he is hedged
big, that is
terrific… but I
have got to tell
you, prices are
low now… but
Devon’s
management has
said that it
wants to add
some hedging
soon…maybe after
it rallies… they
are starting to
have a lot of
exposure to spot
prices… only 16%
of Devon’s 3rd
quarter natural
gas production
is hedged… but
it is at $6.65
per 1000 cubic
feet... 35% of
its fourth
quarter
production is
hedged at $5.86
per 1000 cubic
feet… remember,
it is at $2.80,
so we are good
here… but no
hedges at all in
2010 for natural
gas… and none
this year or
next year for
crude oil.
If natural gas
is really headed
to $6... Devon
is the way to
play it… this is
a company with
some incredible
properties… and
some great
foresight about
where they
drill… Devon’s
capital
expenditure
budget is at one
half of 2008
levels… but its
latest fabulous
quarter… 12%
production
growth… that is
much better than
the 7% to 8%
growth than the
street was
expecting… it
was actually
much better than
almost every
natural gas
company… and it
raised its
production
guidance… that
is vital for a
stock to go
higher… natural
gas volumes were
up 3% despite
reduced drilling
activity…
Canadian volumes
up 13%… more
international
strength…
Brazil, they are
big in Brazil…
Azerbaijan,
where oil
production was
up 13% compared
to the previous
quarter… Devon
is getting more
out of the
properties that
it currently has
for less money…
sounds like big
growth margins.
I have to wonder
how long the
company can keep
this up though…
with so many big
projects and
expenses coming
up… appraisal,
development,
drilling in the
Gulf of Mexico…
an exploration
program in
Brazil…
increased on
shore drilling
in the best area
of all
Haynesville …
also Horn River
Basin, Woodford
Shales, along
with its Jack
Fish Oil Sands
project… got a
lot of stuff
going on here…
after Devon’s
great quarter
everyone is now
focused on the
next big
catalyst… that
is the
announcement of
a partnership or
a sale of 50% of
its property in
the Gulf of
Mexico… I think
that it could
bring in $1b to
$1.5b.. that
could happen by
the end of the
year.
Devon is
averaging
finding costs
world wide for
natural gas over
the last three
years $3.60 per
1000 cubic feet…
we have got to
ask about that
too, right… in
the US it is
$2.68... pretty
close to where
it is… the
company needs
prices to come
up if its
un-hedged gas
production is
going to be
profitable… I
think that Devon
is a terrific
oil and gas
company… I would
not be buying it
for charity if I
did not… but,
its stock has
lagged the
others in the
business… it is
down 5.4% for
the year…
Appache is up
16%… Anadarko,
you saw Hackett
the other day,
up 41%… hey,
Audron
McClennan,
widely reviled
by many of my
viewers, but not
by me…
Chesapeake is up
43%… maybe Devon
is a 57 variety
stock… you know
a Heinz ketchup
play… but I want
to dig deeper on
this one… do
some more
homework,
because I have a
lot of
questions… let’s
bring on Larry
Nichols, CEO of
Devon Energy…
Jim:
Mr. Nichols welcome
to Mad Money...
Larry:
Good to see
you, glad to be
here.
Jim:
Alright, some
exciting things at
your company… Gulf
of Mexico, perhaps
we get some news
there… obviously you
are drilling like
mad… Haynesville,
there is a lot
coming out there… is
that why you are
having that great
growth?… and
shouldn’t that great
growth eventually
close the disparity
between some of the
other guys that have
moved up more?
Larry:
It will. And
as you have
mentioned we have
not hedged and there
are people who in
the first half of
this year, rewarded
hedging. We have
never been a big
hedger and so that
was the big drag on
us. As those hedges
roll off of
everybody else, that
advantage that they
have, will go away.
Jim:
And then we
will go back to
measuring off of
production growth?
Larry:
Honest, you
know, real
production growth.
And we have that
across the board.
Whether it is the
heavy oil in Canada.
The Barnett shale
hit a record. We
have record
production growth in
the second quarter.
That is incredible.
Jim:
Yeah, it really
is amazing… now,
interesting fact
,back in July when
natural gas was 25%
higher, your stock
was 20% lower… how
does a stock, a
natural gas play
largely, go up from
being down 20% while
the fuel that it is
relative to goes
down by 25%… what is
going on somewhere,
outside of your
company, that is
making people feel
that perhaps natural
gas is right and
playing it with the
stocks?
Larry:
Well, natural
gas today, is people
understand that even
though we have a
short term problem
with way too much
natural gas the rest
of this year,
markets are going to
catch up. Because
natural gas
production in the
country is going
down. Companies do
not have the cash to
drill with. Drilling
rig rate is less
than half of what it
was a year ago. And
so natural gas
production is going
to go down.
Jim:
But if I am the
White House, if I am
Congress, I say… oh
boy, this is an
unreliable fuel, I
cannot be in some
fuel that they can
cut production back
that quickly… they
will strangle us.
Larry:
We are like a
factory. We stop the
factory the widgets
stop coming out the
other end. All you
have to do is start
the factory and we
can bring those
drilling rigs back
just as fast as we
shut them down.
Jim:
Why is it that
a fuel that I regard
as being dirty, has
been favored by this
administration and
Congress, which is
the so called clean
coal… while I do not
see the ground
sweller at least in
the House, did not
see the ground swell
for natural gas… and
can that change?
Larry:
Yeah, the ?
is a market bill and
once you start on
cap-n-trade you can
have a really clean
bill if you want it.
But once you start
giving that
allocation, and
Congress gets to
determine who gets
the allocations,
they are going to go
to whoever has the
most political
power. And you can
look at how that
bill unfolded in the
House, and the
winners were the
fuels that generate
the most CO2.
Totally illogical.
Jim:
Totally… when
we talked to Jim
Hackett from
Anadarko earlier in
the week, and he
seems to think that
something has
happened in the last
few months, and
Michael Watford said
that too… a change
in the air in
Washington, but
given what you just
said about the House
not being favoring
natural gas… why
should I think, I
have to presume that
people think the
Senate is going to
go your way… now
why?
Larry:
Well, a
couple of reasons
really. One, our
industry has done a
much better job of
getting the message
out there lately. We
have been
advertising, we have
been really working
hard. All of the
CEO’s with various
companies that
produce a lot of
natural gas. And
Devon is the largest
natural gas
producers in North
America. We have
really been working
hard to get that
message out. And it
has gotten out.
Boone Pickens, and a
variety of people
have been out there…
Jim:
Who is your
point man in the
Senate?
Larry:
We do not
really have a point
man in the Senate.
Jim:
In the old days
I would have said
how much does it
cost to get a point
man?… but I am no
longer like that
because I am a
diplomat.
Larry:
You are a
diplomat….
(laughing)
Jim:
I am, I am a
diplomat… in the old
days, I would have
said okay here is
the checkbook what
do we have to do…
but you can’t do
that anymore.
Larry:
In the
Senate, it is a
much, the body is
much better suited
for understanding
the issue. And that
is the other thing.
The Senate is not
going to ram it thru
as fast as the House
did. The leadership
of the House decided
what the bill was
going to do and just
crammed it thru. And
in the Senate, we
are going to get a
much better hearing.
So it is a
combination of
education plus a
better forum.
Jim:
Now, Watford
said the other
day…and we had the
clean energy which
has been hot as a
pistol since we had
him on… Watford
seemed to think that
two things could
happen… one, that
the Federal
government could
mandate that its own
trucks, its own
fleet has to run on
natural gas… and
second, he envisions
a world where there
can be on
interstates big
compressed natural
gas gas stations,
and we could cut
dramatically our
amount of imported
oil… are you hearing
anything like that?
Larry:
Yeah, that is
starting. And the
mere fact that this
is feasible is
really getting the
attention of a lot
of people.
Jim:
And also, we
have had talk that
we have so much that
it will end up… you
know, 5, 10 years
from now.. exporting
the stuff if we do
not find a market in
this country.
Larry:
Sure, and
that gets peoples
attention too.
People in Congress
say why are you
going to export it?
Because you are
discriminating
against the cleanest
burning fuel. That
makes no sense.
Jim:
Why are there
coal plants being
built in this
country?
Larry:
Actually the
coal plants have
stopped.
Jim:
Tell me about
it, because I know
that there are some
guys… we had Shaw
Group on earlier
this week, and they
are still putting
some up.
Larry:
They are
trying. They are
trying. But if you
wanted to have the
cleanest burning
fuel that you can
get, it would be
natural gas.
Jim:
Look, I agree…
and I am on a
mission.. and it is
not just because I
want the stocks
higher… because I
want every stock
higher… I just think
that we could… jobs,
energy independence,
cleanliness… you
guys are the only
ones that got all
three… so thank you.
Larry:
Thank you.
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Jim's
comments AFTER the
interview:
Devon Energy (DVN*)’s
CEO… the one that I
own for
my charitable trust…
most growth… best
way to play the
upside.
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